are. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "politicsnation" with al sharpton starts right now. welcome to "politicsnation." i'm al sharpton. tonight's lead, running from the past. forget the talk you've heard about division in the romney campaign on whether he should come clean and release more details on his finances. today the candidate's wife herself told america what you get is what you get. >> you know, because there are so many things that will be open again for more attack and you just want to give more material for more attack. and that's really -- that's just the answer. and we've given all people need to know and understand about our financial situation and about how we live our life. >> the american people disagree. a new usa today poll shows the majority of americans, 54% think

mitt romney should release more of his tax records. and it's no wonder he has the fewest financial disclosures of any recent candidate in history. in fact, the four last presidents and romney's father george all thought the american people deserved to see more. just look at that. but the romneys, one year's tax return is all we get. it's a potentially risky stand they're taking. especially as more facts about romney's financial past come into focus. and there's more. today the los angeles times reports that bain capital raised more than a third of its initial investment fund from wealthy foreigners. the times says quote, most of the foreign investors' money came through corporations registered in panama. then known for tax advantages and unusual banking secrecy.

but it didn't matter to romney where the money was coming from, he knew there was little risk to him in starting his investment fund. he was assured by his boss bill bain back in 1984 that starting up bain capital would be a non-risk prospect for romney. ezra klein at the washington post writes, romney would get his old job and salary back plus any raises he would have earned during his absence. and bain promised that if necessary he would craft a cover story saying that romney's return to bain and company was needed because of his value as a consultant. so there was no professional or financial risk. no professional or financial risk. that's the kind of security that's denied to most americans. there's also news today undercutting romney's claim that he left bain back in 1999 to run

the salt lake city olympics. >> i had no association with the banishment of bain capital after february of 1999. that's when i left the firm. i'm very pleased with the experience i had with the firm, but as everyone knows, i went off to run the olympics for three years. i was there full-time. after that i came back and ran in massachusetts for governor. i have no role with regards to bain capital after february of '99. >> turns out that's not what his official biography on the salt lake olympics website said. in 2002 it read quote, romney is the founder and ceo of bain capital, inc. a year after romney claims he left bain, he was still being introduced as its ceo. just listen how they introduced him at the washington press club in 2000. >> from 1978 to 1984, mr. romney

was a vice president of bain and company an international management consulting firm. and he's the founder and ceo of bain capital a private company that was organized in 1984. >> the questions about romney's past just keep coming. no matter what he or his campaign wants us to believe. joining me now is david corn, washington bureau chief for "mother jones" and msnbc political analyst. he's also the author of "showdown." and michelle carter, washington reporter for "the daily beast." let me thank both of you for being here tonight. >> sure thing. >> david, let me start with you. do the romneys think the american public don't deserve to know more about their finances? >> well, there was certainly a tone of entitlement in ann romney's voice this morning. for pete's sake, you people. you know? it's like, i've been saying this

for days all over our network, reverend, that i think that mitt romney has made a calculation that it's better to have a slow bleeding wound than to open your chest cavity. this guy went to harvard and they teach you cost benefit analysis. he knows if he gives tax returns, it's like a road map to romneyland where tax havens aren't tax havens and everybody has a swiss bank account. i've been doing a lot of reporting on bain. i have a good story coming out tomorrow about bain and some of its investments. it's very hard for him to sustain. they don't want this sort of scrutiny because, you know, it just doesn't look good. they can't explain to average americans all the benefits, advantages, and deals that they've put together. >> michelle, you -- what do you feel? do you feel they don't feel the american people are entitled to know?

his wife coming out today saying basically we've given the american people all they need to know. >> now, look. david's right. when you get to be as wealthy as the romneys, you have very complicated tax returns. you have a very special way of -- we already know he paid a vastly lower tax rate than what normal people would think you would pay when you make that much money. if you hand over those documents, the romneys are correct. you'll have people fine tooth combing them and there are of course going to be things that even if they're legal would be impossible to explain to the average american who, you know, pays a lot higher tax rate and doesn't have nearly the advantages or the offshore accounts or whatever else that may be in there. >> david, karl rove wrote today in "the wall street journal" that the romney campaign's response is worrying many in the gop. this is rove today writing

quote, the romney campaign's response which included whiney demands that the president apologize for his attacks has unsettled gop activists causing them to wonder how prepared mr. romney and his team are for the mud fest they've entered. it's interesting from karl rove. >> well boohoo hoo. the republicans went through this in the primary. you have republican candidates who turn out not to be fans of transparency to begin with questioning him asht his tax returns. i didn't see karl rove and others coming out there taking a strong stand that mitt romney had to be transparent. and had to give out this information. you elect a one percenter -- you nominate. and that's what you're going to get. i keep coming back to this same point, though.

bill kristol and karl rove can suck their thumb and give the best political advice to romney but they don't know what's there to be revealed. mitt romney does. he's not a dumb man. he's a smart man that does risk management. i have to believe he's done the risk calculation here. and it's riskier for him to tell people what he's done than take attacks. >> aside from that, we're he hearing a lot on the right stating eric eriksson shocked that romney's not dealing with the tax question better. but there's something else that comes to mind here. i'm looking at the "huffington post" on why republicans are so quick to abandon romney on tax returns. and there was this posting that says they just don't like him. quote, the fact is no one likes the guy or believes in him, said campaign manager for former romney rival who declined to be

quoted by name. no one wants obama to win, but no one likes the guy who's running against him. then another one in the same washington post site but ool -- "huffington post," i'm sorry. but another article but the same site "huffington post" says republicans think mitt romney's a loser. quote, there are those who think romney is destined to lose and they're behaving accordingly according to another campaign manager who remained nameless. aside from all this, it's a pile on from what fellow gop party members because "a" they don't like him and "b" they -- >> they've always had this issue. if you remember last campaign, there were all these stories about the candidates on the republican side were -- you know, whoever was going to run they wanted to make sure it wasn't romney. that has not changed to some degree. and you add on to that concerns that he just doesn't have the

fire in the belly and he's not tough enough to go up against what is the chicago machine of obama. i think this is in addition to whatever personal issues, they want to slap him around and say hey, you've had plenty of time to figure out what to say about this. why haven't you and you need to man up about it. he can't whine. >> he's the nominee. be careful what you ask for. thanks for your time tonight. >> sure thing. thank you. coming up, president obama steps up his campaign to define mitt romney calling him out for his attacks on the most reliable voting block in america. >> it's wrong to ask seniors to pay more for medicare just so millionaires and billionaires can pay less in taxes. plus george zimmerman says he has no regrets about his action on the night of trayvon martin's death. we'll get some reaction from the lawyer of trayvon's parents.

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welcome back to "politicsnation." folks, it was a big day in hollywood. the nominees for the 64th annual emmy awards were announced. "madmen" led the way with 17 nominations for another year. alec baldwin snagged a nod for his role on "30 rock." but there was one major award that isn't getting a lot of attention.

can the control room play that clip for us, please? >> this year's honorary award for misleading man in a presidential campaign goes to willard mitt romney 2012 republican candidate. >> wow. i'm so glad the academy finally recognized willard's achievements. he's been out misleading man for quite a while now. and we're having some fun. but seriously, just look at the ad that came out today. >> let me tell you something. if you got a business, you didn't build that. somebody else made that happen. >> okay. now, let's go to the tape for a look at his actual statement. >> let me tell you something. there are a whole bunch of hard working people out there. if you were successful, somebody

along the line gave you some help. there was a great teacher somewhere in your life. somebody helped to create this unbelievable american system that we have that allowed you to thrive. somebody invested in roads and business. if you've got a business, you didn't build that. >> that whole chunk in the middle wasn't important for mr. romney. but it shouldn't surprise anyone. his very first campaign ad did the exact same thing. and when asked to comment on the misleading edit, his campaign said quote, all ads do that. they are manipulative pieces of persuasive art. persuasive art. that's a nice phrase. but where i come from, we call it something else. joining me now is dana milbank, columnist for "the washington post" and ana marie cox for "the

guardian." thank you both for being here tonight. dana, this happens in politics, but this feels different. what do you think? >> yeah, look, reverend. all politicians at some point will say the truth. but romney has been a prolific prova provocateur. i looked at romney back in april already 32 times he had gotten the rating of false from that group or the worst rating pants on fire. if your pants are on fire 32 times, you're going to have some trouble sitting down. what's surprising about romney is he does even when he doesn't have to. he could make plenty good case against obama because of the economy, because of things obama has actually said. he seems to want to guild the lily even when he doesn't have

to. that's what's unusual. >> but ana marie, rupert murdoch apparently approves of it. and he wants this more from romney. he tweeted today at least romney attacks. looks better. keep it up. still needs to address all hispanics. >> well, you know, i think it's interesting. this kind of gaffe that romney seems to be trying to take advantage of is something undecided voters aren't paying attention. it resonates with the base. it's probably going to help with his fund raising and people like rupert murdoch. but it's also the thing if you don't already think the president is some mean un-american guy born in kenya, then you're probably not going to read it the same way as that did. people will hear it the way he meant it which means if you're successful, you probably had help along the way. exactly what he said, right? if you don't believe that the president thinks that way, you're going to hear it the way

the romney people edited it to be heard. >> dana, because maybe what she is saying goes to -- well, let me show you the balancing act it seems like willard is trying to play. yesterday a woman at an event called the president a monster. take a listen to the exchange. >> because of this awful economy that obama's created, now he's had to lay off people. and may have to close some stores. and it's all because of what this monster has done to this country. we have to have you as president. >> that's not a term i would use, but -- >> i can. i'm an angry mom. >> you're an angry mom. good. you have every right to be angry. >> now, he says he wouldn't use the term kind of slided away from it, but then today let me

show you where after showing a little backbone, he comes back continuing to say things about the president. listen to this. >> i just don't think the president by his comments suggests an understanding of what it is that makes america such a unique nation. why people have come here for hundreds of years. >> so dana, it's like he's having it both ways. one, i wouldn't use the term monster but i would say he doesn't understand america and he doesn't know what america is and why people came here for hundreds of years. this un-american theme. >> right. it's sort of a nod and a wink to the far right there, reverend. we heard it when rush limbaugh went after the woman who testified and went after in the most vulgar way. it's almost the same thing. accused the president of treason. a capital offense.

he had nothing to say about that. presumably in his own mind he says otherwise. but he is frightened to take on people saying that kind of thing. there's nothing wrong saying romney should be going on the attack. that's what politicians should be doing. but there has to be some basis for accuracy in that attack or people are going to figure it out and there's going to be blowback. >> you covered john mccain. what was the difference between how mcacted in terms of distortions and when people got extreme in their language and what you're observing from mr. romney? >> well, you know, i've been thinking a lot about that campaign lately. especially given john mccain going to the floor of the senate to defend huma abedin against michele bachmann. romney seems unwilling to drudge up for himself. i think mccain has a concept of what dignity is and fair play is having been robbed of that for so long and having have grown

appreciation for it that most of us will never have to grow. i think romney doesn't have that sense of fair play. he's never experienced a level playing field. he was born on the stadium box. he doesn't know what that's like to have things fair. it is quite a remarkable thing to watch, to watch him kind of take a step back from these attacks and not even dirty his hands in trying to defend people who cannot defend themselves. >> but dana, i think maybe the real problem is because he keeps trying to visit both ways, play to the extreme right, try to act reasonable some time. there's no real continuity. no thread in his campaign. it's like we really don't understand what the strategy is. other than not disclosing certain financial documents. >> right. this has been the problem for a long time. he disavows the birther

movement. then he hangs out with donald trump on the day donald trump is reviving the birthing claim. you had the conference call raising questions about whether the president understands america. then he tiptoes back away from it. the idea -- i think it's a sense of weakness that he doesn't want to push away from the conservative base too much. he needs to keep rallying those people. but it is a problem for him as he tries to reach out to the rest of america who doesn't want to hear this nonsense. >> dana milbank and ana marie cox, thank you for your time this evening. >> thanks, reverend. ahead president obama making the case for medicare against those who were taken away. and do not adjust your television set. yes, that is newt gingrich sitting next to snooki. what do they have in common? a lot, actually. stay with us. ♪

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>> he plans to turn medicare into a voucher program. so if that voucher isn't worth enough to buy the health insurance that's on the market, you're out of luck. you're on your own. one independent nonpartisan study found seniors would have to pay more for medicare than they do today. florida, that's the wrong way to go. it's wrong to ask seniors to pay more for medicare just so millionaires and billionaires can pay less in taxes. >> the president is right. while there's a lot we don't know about what romney actually believes, we do know he loves congressman paul ryan and his plans for medicare. >> i applaud it. it's an excellent piece of work.

i spent a good deal of time with congressman ryan. when his plan came out, i applauded it as an important step. this is guy willing to stand for something. congressman ryan, he's a great leader. >> and if you listen to congressman ryan, you can tell the feeling is entirely mutual. >> mitt romney has the skills, the tenacity, the principles, the courage to do what puts america on track. i've grown to like him quite a bit. he's funny as well. he's got quick wit. good sense of humor. >> this mutual admiration society is bent on bringing down just about every part of the safety net. "the wall street journal" said the ryan plan would essentially end medicare. it would turn medicare into a voucher program. it would raise the eligibility age to 67 and make seniors pay

$6400 more for their coverage. and the worst part is romney wants to force these sacrifices on america's seniors just so he can pay for massive tax break for the rich. the president called him out for it today. >> my opponent doesn't just want to keep these tax cuts, he wants to cut those taxes by another $5 trillion including a 25% tax cut for every millionaire in the country. hold on. it gets better. to pay for this he plans to gut things like job training and financial aid for college. and potentially raise taxes on the middle class, on you. >> joining me now is former

democratic congressman alan grayson now running again for florida's ninth district. congress man, thanks for joining me. as always, florida will be close this year. could the medicare issue make the difference? >> absolutely. we do have a few senior citizens in florida, you may have heard that. in fact, seniors are learning more and more about exactly how bad the ryan plan will be for them. i think ryan also has a sense of humor. his plan is a joke and the joke is on all of us. i think that all of us hope one day that if we're not already getting medicare, we will be. and we don't want to pay an extra $6500 a year to visit. the fundamental problem with his plan is right now seniors get care and what they want to do is substitute the care with a check that they know is not going to be enough for the care. it's some kind of scheme, some kind of game that they're playing on senior citizens. and it's a game of life and death. if they don't get the care they

need, then seniors are going to die. >> congressman, if a senior's watching right now, what do they need to understand that the romney/ryan plan actually says to them? what is it really proposing? >> first they need to understand that as soon as mitt romney does what he's promised to do in his first week in office which is to get rid of obama care, that immediately means an extra $600 to pay for their drugs every single year. every year. that's what that means right off the bat. then beyond that, even without any change in the law, simply allowing what they want their budget to go into effect will mean thousands and thousands of dollars more that seniors will have to pay. and it's not just seniors. look, i'm in my 50s. one day i'll be on this plan myself and i'll be paying more. so will people in their 40s and 30s. there's no end to it. and for what? for what purpose? so mitt romney can have a tax cut? mitt romney wants millionaires

to have a tax cut because mitt romney wants a tax cut. that's what it comes down to. and he and his selfish friends are going to gut government and gut the economy for the sake of that. now, we have a president who believes in good government and a candidate who believes in no government. >> congressman, the president was in jacksonville, florida, today. nationwide seniors are 10% of the population. but in florida they're 31% of the population. as you campaign around your district in florida, are people talking about this? are seniors talking about the difference between the romney/ryan plan and what the president is talking about? >> yes. you've guinn the correct numbers on the proportions on it. because seniors vote in higher numbers than younger people do, you might see seniors making up as much as half of the electorate in florida this year. and seniors are beginning to realize that romney is basically conducting a shell game. the interesting thing is when the president points out all

these elements, deficiencies in what he's proposing for the country, romney doesn't take a stab at defending the plan. he doesn't try to do it. he can't explain why it's right after the president explains why it's wrong. that means it's wrong. >> now, when you look at the polling, commonwealth fund polled it and people were reporting excellent coverage in the past year. 37% seniors on medicare. 25% employer-based health care. people know the difference and people know what's effective for them. >> yes. right now 1/3 of the country received health coverage from the government. 1/2 from private snushs. and 1/ 6 of the country doesn't get any health insurance. when you hear romney about how

to give coverage to those americans. those 50 million americans, they're probably sick and tired of being sick and tired. and they're disgusted with the republicans because the republicans will never even take a stab at solving the problems in their lives. >> congressman grayson, thank you so much for your time. >> thank you too. ahead, how about this one? a seattle woman just married a corporation. that's right. maybe willard was right. we'll talk to her life. look at those toys. insurance must be expensive. nah. [ dennis' voice ] i bet he's got an allstate agent. they can save you up to 30% more by bundling your policies. well his dog's stupid. [ dennis' voice ] poodles are one of the world's smartest breeds. are you in good hands?

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we're back with some news in the trayvon martin shooting case. george zimmerman is speaking out publicly for the first time since the february 26th shooting. joining me now, martin family attorney benjamin crump. thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you, reverend. >> let's get right into the interview and the question about regrets that night. take a listen. >> do you regret getting out of the car to follow trayvon that night? >> no, sir. >> do you regret that you had a

gun that night? >> no, sir. >> do you feel you wouldn't be here for this interview if you didn't have that gun? >> no, sir. >> you feel you would not be here? >> i feel that it was all god's plan and for me to second guess it or judge it -- >> is there anything you might do differently in retrospect now that time has passed a little bit? >> no, sir. >> what's the family's response to this? >> they were just flabbergasted. they could not believe he said this was god's plan. mr. martin said that he don't know what god george zimmerman worships because the god that he serves would not have a plan that his 17-year-old unarmed son be shot by george zimmerman. so they're just overwhelmed that he would even say such a thing.

>> he said he wouldn't do anything differently. let me show you a couple that strike me. he was asked about the police call in which he was asked if he was following trayvon. this is how he responded last night. >> dispatcher asked you are you following him and you said yes. explain that. >> i meant that i was going in the same direction as him to keep an eye on him so that i could tell the police where he was going. i didn't mean that i was actually pursuing him. >> so this moment where some had suggested you were out of breath on that tape, you yourself were not running? >> no, sir. >> so he was not pursuing him. but let's listen to the actual tape of him talking to the 911 dispatcher. >> are you following him? >> yeah. >> okay, we don't need you to do that. >> okay.

>> so if he wasn't following him, then he was telling the dispatcher something that wasn't true. another part of the interview that i want to get to -- but let me get your response to that. let me go one at a time. >> very simply, reverend sharpton. it's like sybrina fulton said. she wishes trayvon was here to tell you his part of the story. what i've said in reference to that is there's a legal concept which is latin for the thing speaks for itself. we said don't take our word for it, just listen with your own ears. and we know when we listen to that tape what's happening. right before that he said oh, explicit word and he's getting away. then you hear his seat belt and he gets out of the car and pursues him. so why is he trying to make us believe that we didn't hear what we heard? >> well, let's go back to the

tape again. the interviewer last night mentioned trayvon was on the phone with his girlfriend at the time. then he was asked if he thought trayvon may have been running because he was afraid. this is how zimmerman responded last night. >> maybe i said running but he was more -- >> you said he's running. >> yes. it was like skipping, going away quickly. but he wasn't running out of fear. >> you could tell the difference? >> he wasn't running. >> so he wasn't actually running? >> no, sir. >> but let's go back to the police call where zimmerman says trayvon is running. listen. >> he's running. >> which way is he running? >> down towards the other entrance of the neighborhood. >> so, i mean, it is almost unthinkable a defense attorney would put a defendant on television that clearly locks him into statements that clearly

runs contrary to the evidence. why do you think they even did this interview? >> you know, reverend sharpton, i can't fathom why they would do the interview with him being charged with murder. but you hit on a point most people haven't caught. he said he was running on that tape and now he's trying to change it. it goes back to the objective evidence versus george zimmerman's subject of statements. this interview last night is a gift for the state attorney who's going to cross examine george zimmerman. >> now, he said he was sorry. he said he prays for the family. but he says he has no regrets that he thought it was god's plan and he would do the same thing all over again. how do you reconcile the two statements? >> reverend sharpton, both parents said that they think his

apology is insincere. especially in light of the fact he showed no remorse. he says he doesn't regret anything that he did. and as mr. martin said, he regrets something. he and his family regret that george zimmerman got out of that car with a gun and pursued trayvon martin. because had he not did that, their son would still be here. and that's the hardest thing to stomach at the end of that tape he says well, trayvon put him in a position to where he had to do what he did. had he not got out that car, he wouldn't have been in a position to cause this. >> thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you, reverend sharpton. >> i also heard on the tape that i was questioned and told i should apologize for rush to judgment. and let me show you what i've said during the whole rallying around trying to bring this case

from the back rooms of the police station to where it could be tried openly and we see what happened. >> i can't for the life of me understand how they can justify not making an arrest. arrest doesn't mean conviction. but clearly there's probable cause here even with this law that we would question. if you have a dead young man, no crime, no weapon, no drugs and you have 911 tapes that clearly has zimmerman pursuing him even after the dispatcher said do not do it, how is that not probable cause to make an arrest? >> what i said was that we need to stop the rush to judgment. the rush to judgment that was made in the police station that night that determined that mr. zimmerman had not done anything wrong and could go home. i didn't rush to judgment.

i said let's not have a rush to judgment where the police in sanford become the judge and the jury. we ask for an arrest. a republican governor rick scott appointed a special prosecutor. the republican special prosecutor went over the evidence and came back and said yes, there is probable cause. and indicted him for murder two. so i'm to apologize for saying what ended up being right there was probable cause? or maybe the governor should apologize? or maybe the special prosecutor should apologize? or maybe we should try to find out what really happened. and not rush to judgment in a police station. we'll be right back. i don't spend money on gasoline.

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you're probably asking why the wedding music? well, mitt romney famously said corporations are people and he

might have a point. one woman is proving it. joining me now is angela marie vogel who married a corporation. angela, it seems a congratulations is in order. but in all honesty, you have a political reason for doing this. why did a marry a corporate person? >> well, i married a corporate person because if our country is going to say that corporations have free speech rights, then they should have marriage rights as well. >> when you say free speech rights you mean that corporations could spend all this money they wanted in campaigns that's free speech. do you also feel inspired by mitt romney? >> sure. we'll give him a little credit for this one. >> he said corporations are people. >> he did and we're out to prove it. >> take me through the process. after you got married, you actually got a marriage license? >> we did.

the county gave us a marriage license. >> go ahead. >> and they have not sent us formal communication yet to rescind that license. >> what was the ceremony like? >> it was beautiful. everybody in the community showed up. we had musicians and even had a florist donate flowers and everybody got involved. it was a really beautiful ceremony complete with a marching band. >> did people cry? >> there were a few people that claimed to have some tears of joy. >> now, this was all trying to raise awareness about initiative 103, seattle ballot initiative that would ban corporate spending on elections, ban corporate personhood, and you need 20,000 signatures to be considered. so you're really dramatizing a point. >> that's right. we think it's very important for people to band together in their communities and eliminate corporate personhood. location action is where we can effect the most change. >> i guess